Hoang Vi Kha

Hoang Vi Kha [00:00:00] Yes. Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Kha Hoang I  live in Saigon, before I left Vietnam.  

Interviewer [00:00:11] Can you describe, what was life like before 1975?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:00:18] I was, in elementary school back at that time. And living in  Saigon during the war is different from the suburbs or the countryside. I can say I live  peacefully until the war gets worse, around the end of 1974, around April 1975. So I start  to feel the war coming. I was in, school, and I remembered and heard loudly bombing  outside and school were dismissed.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:00:45] That's it's on April 28th. And, when I went home, I saw my dad  and my dad just, you know, storming and said Okay, we got to leave. I thought, like, we  got, I don't know where we going to. And he said, he need to report to the Air Force base.  He, he served as a pilot, flew in, helicopter.  

So his last base in Tan Son Nhat. So he need to report to that. So he took the family to go  with him into Tan Son Nhat. So I stayed there until April 30th, 1975. So I witnessed most of  that chaos happening in Saigon at that time.  

Interviewer [00:01:30] Oh, wow. So, what year did you leave Vietnam to be a boat  person?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:01:38] I left Vietnam, to be exact I left Vietnam on June 4th, 1988.  Interviewer [00:01:47] So it took, was that--

Hoang Vi Kha [00:01:50] Almost like, ten, 15 years after. Yeah. After the war ended.  Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:01:59] Can you describe a little bit how was your family or yourself survive  under the, the communists?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:02:05] Just like many others families, in the same situation, our family  been harassed after my not been picked into what they so call, re-education camp. I still  remember that day clearly in my my. He picked me up and he saw me. They kind of say,  

hey, Kha in seven. No, no, 30 days. You will see me again. So, you know, in Vietnam, they  had the, calendar block.  

You pick up one one day, my one small piece of paper. So I did that, and I carefully put in  my, draw until one day I see I saw my draw, like, full up with the calendar piece. I put it  down and asked my mom, can you help me to count?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:02:56] So she, hug me and say they lied. We don't know if we can see  your dad again. So he depart. Like for almost 11 years after that. That time. So when he  left just like all the other family, my family, my my mom have to, been, forced to go to what  they call new economic zone. So in order to escape that, she had to give up the house to,  one of the officer who came from the North to buy the, title to stay back in Saigon. So we  move in to live with my grandmom.

Hoang Vi Kha [00:03:40] So my, my grandmom also have been to, you know, go to every  other thing like, hit by what they call an attack, so called capitalism because they believe  capitalism is the one that's sucking blood bloodsucker.  

Yeah. So second thing is that they destroy all the books that I witness and on the  bookcase every books that valuables to the human mankind, you know, like book like,  even like Notre Dame. That book been destroyed, been labeled as, the product of the  capitalism. So this is bad.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:04:19] So that's they destroyed that. My uncle, he was a teacher in high  school. He was not forced into the. Re-education camp as my dad, but they have different  re-education came for scholar, for journalists, for those people like that. And because of  that, my background same with all the, kid around my age at that time been at the bottom  of the society.  

We cannot do well in school by meaning, doing well I mean like academically we can, you  know, do best in math, physics, you name it. But because of background you cannot be  granted the title. Like good or outstanding student. So you always the second level. And  when you finished high school, and you about to go to college at that time like it's written in  your background and in that society they say, you know, socialism, they say no classes.  

No, everybody like equal and things like that but that’s a big lie because they divide the  society, at least for different classes. And in each classes they divide different categories.  And me and people like me at the bottom, I mean, the four class and the 13 category.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:05:42] So I look at my background say there’s no way I can get into  college. So my mom say, the only way is you have to pay the bribe, local officer, to get, the  good score to get into the college. So I asked my mom how much, and she gave me the  price I said with this price?  

How much is the price you have to pay to get me on a boat to escape the country.  Because I have enough with this society. I don't, communism, socialism, it didn't work. So I  need to get out of this. Even I can get to college. And what happened after that, you know.  So she said Are you sure? I said yes, so that's why I decided to escape country.  

Interviewer [00:06:25] Were you the oldest child?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:06:26] Yes I am.  

Interviewer [00:06:27] Oh. How many siblings do you have?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:06:28] Two. One sister and one product.  

Interviewer [00:06:30] So when your parents decided to let you go, did she ask the other  siblings to come along? Or you just the only person she--

Hoang Vi Kha [00:06:37] Yeah. She didn't she didn't only my my, brother, he was like 14.  He didn't know anything, you know, like, you know, like Asian culture. We just keep the  child, to be a child. We don't want to bring him into that, you know, difficulty in life. And so  he grew up like he didn't know much about what's happening around him. So he just saw  like, oh, I got, a trip he just think it as a trip to go oversea.

So I said, can he go with me? So my mom discussed with my dad and they said, okay, we  have enough money to because like after me, my brother and we end up the same  situation like me. So they said if they have enough money. So they gave both of us  escaped the same time. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:07:26] But, it seems like they didn't. So that's why, they end up, you know,  letting you go instead.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:07:30] Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:07:31] How is the how is that, that process of planning someone to be on  a boat.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:07:34] This is very, secret, you know, if the local. Not the local officer,  but you know how to communism, they work like, they try to use your neighbor as their  spies. You know, if, your neighbor report on you on some activities, the neighbor will get, a  reward or something like rice, or extra oil. Cooking oil. You know, every week they can get  type thing.  

So we have to keep it very, very secret. So, my mom, you know, during my dad was in jail,  so she had to work many different job and one of the jobs she was doing was like she  went to, the country side to, buy the product, you know, like rice and other thing, fish and  thing and bring back to the city and resell it. So that kind of business, somehow help her to  meet people who live along the sea shore.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:08:43] Well, you know, the fishermen and things like that. So she got  connected with those people. You know, back to that time. Most of the people who live  along the sea shore of Vietnam is the most valuable, you know, people, because I would  say, you know, the famous phrase if the electric port they have, light they have to leave the  country.  

Yeah. So that's why we end up knowing one family in Phu Quoc Island. So we start to set  up the escape, but I didn't know anything. They keep it out of me like until, like, everything  settle down like the date, the time, location. And they called me to say. Yeah. It's time to  leave.  

Interviewer [00:09:27] Describe that first day that, you were on the boat.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:09:30] On our first day, our escape was exposed. Because, at I  remember around like 6 p.m. when we saw the boat, come towards, the sea shore and,  the wind start to get stronger and the wave get higher is, is very difficult for the moth to get  closer to this shore.  

And we was try to swim out to the boat, but because of the big wave it keep pushing us  back to the shore. And at that time we saw a group of people, you know, they, they, they  have cow or they have ox, they walk by and they saw us.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:10:10] So they just pointing their finger like Hey, hey, well, those are  the Vượt Biên, you know, escapers. And we said, oh my God, what should we do? And  that time, one big wave pushed the board like sideways like this. And it stuck to the sand.  It cannot get out. So some of, my group started to withdraw back.

They they said, okay, no way. We have to run before the local police come to arrest us.  But, the guy on the boat say, okay, you guys should push. We have to push us out. So  that's why I threw my my backpack on the boat, and we all tried to push the boat and  somehow, the wind, or the wave, make the magic that pushed boat turned around. So,  because of that, everybody tried to go back, run up on the boat. I was the last one  because I try very hard to push the last push.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:11:10] So when the boat start to move, I was left behind and I was just my one of my hand tried to grab on, the side of the boat. And that one man on the boat, he  saw me. So he dropped his hand down, and he hold he hold onto my hand. And the boat keep going because they cannot stop. You know it. I was like underwater. And he just  keep pulling me like that for like few minutes until he had the strength enough to pull me  up on the boat.

So that is the first day. And then around 10 p.m. it start raining very bad. So we said we  cannot get any farther. So he had to stop the boat. Not too far from, one of the island next  to the Phu Quoc island called Tho Chu island. So he nailed the board right there. Waiting  for the weather getting better the next morning, so that the second day we start to go.

Interviewer [00:12:08] So how long was the entire journey before you hit land?  Hoang Vi Kha [00:12:12] Seven days.  

Interviewer [00:12:14] Seven days. And what was the first land you hit?  Hoang Vi Kha [00:12:16] Where I end up after seven days, Thailand.  

Interviewer [00:12:19] When you reach Thailand. That's the refugee camp that you  stayed. Can you describe that scene? How how do you end up in Thailand? And, what  was the refugee camp like?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:12:30] We first end up in, Sata Hiep Thailand. It was like a miracle to  me because we escape our escape, like, we hit by storm very bad we thought we die we  didn’t know the next day. Every single day have the issue, you know storm one day lost one day, another day been attack by the pirate and another day we run out of water. I  almost died on that day because I cannot, you know, we don't. We didn't eat for one week,  but we need water.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:13:05] We run out for the after the pirate attack. So I thought I die on  that day, but, I was so thirsty, I just try. I know that in my mind the sea water bad. But it's  psychologically, you know, I need some liquid. So I put my finger, touches of my lips and  

dry up and I faint, and I woke up my, my, sibling. Not sibling, but cousin. He had escape with me, so they had a few raindrop. And they use the shirtt to get that one from the rain  and squeeze the water into my lips and wake me up.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:13:43] So I mean all of that. So when I end up at Sata Hiep at midnight.  The first thing I did, I just bawled and cried. I push my tears. I know this is Thailand  because, at that time, Cambodia and Vietnam was very poor. You know, didn't no enough,  electric power. So when I came there, I saw a lot of electricity. And now this should be Thailand So that's it, it's totally dark. So I just know that this is Thailand, where the, the  spot I end up I just ball up and cry. And early morning I saw the flag, and I realized that the

flag of Thai and, local police. The funny thing is, we we arrive at Sata Hiep port. That's is a military port of Thai and US.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:14:40] But they didn't see us. So when they saw it early in the morning,  they sound alarm the horn base, the naval base. So they took us to the local, MP. Then  they investigated us and we show them, the boat, and they said, okay, you stay here. And,  we met some US officer.  

He can speak Vietnamese very well. He was surprised me. And then he asked my dad,  soldier number, and I give him that, he check, and he very fine said yes, you are son of the  Republic of Vietnam military. So you're okay. I say, wow. Thank God. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:15:26] When you, land there? Were you the only Vietnamese boat  people?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:15:30] We we we all the first. Yeah. The first. So that's why they sound the alarm the whole base. It's they they they ask how they didn't believe how we can get  into the base without, you know, nobody knows we got the security issue they ask like, is  anybody, let us in. We said no because it funny like at night after the attack, of the pirate.  We run out of power for the boat, we just go slowly.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:16:00] That one half the second half is like we saw the, I think that's it's  like, the line up on, the Coast Guard boat, they just go around and we just saw the top of  that Coast Guard it light up. So we just aim at that and we follow.  

We don't know, they did go like, Zig zag and we just keep follow, follow until we get into  the base in the morning when we saw, we say battleship big big big around. So that's why  at night they go like that. So we just follow, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.  

Interviewer [00:16:42] I mean, I hear a lot of stories and including myself, you know,  refugee, boat people like us, you know, we we hit land. And then next thing you know, you  see, you know, other, boat people and and you see, thousands. But for yourself, this is a,  yes. Brand new. Yeah. For people there. Yeah. Now, how did they accommodate you guys  and, you know, build shelters and stuff like that?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:17:06] We that there's no shelter. We had to put temporary in fire  station. And even now we got, attacked badly by that Thai pirate. But the Thai people  totally different. They super nice to us. They give us food, clothes, everything during the  time we there.  

They even cook for us. And every day they just go out, you know, even like, the language,  the barrier. But we just. I can draw things. So anything we cannot communicate where we.  I draw a picture asking for this, and they draw back. But yes. Those ten days is beautiful.  And it bring me up to believe in the humankind after the attack of the Thai pirate.  

Interviewer [00:17:55] When you say ten days, you mean you spend ten days there?  Hoang Vi Kha [00:17:58] Ten days there.

Interviewer [00:18:00] Yeah. Okay. How many people were on your boat?  Hoang Vi Kha [00:18:02] 13.

Interviewer [00:18:03] 13 only?

Hoang Vi Kha [00:18:04] Yeah. And my boat is like this size. This truck size. Yeah, yeah.  

Interviewer [00:18:10] That's what I tell people to. You know, sometimes when you hear  boat people, they, they imagine a ship. But, you know, for a lot of us, yeah, it is a little bit  bigger than a canoe. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, to fit that amount of people.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:18:21] You know, the size of this truck is like when we first the the  second day when, the sun arrived, I saw the boat. I thought that the boat is just like, you  know, the term, the slang like taxi, taxi is mean, the boat take to the big fish with big force right I thought this is the taxi, but the the guy who run the boat said, no, no, this is the one  we, we use to escape. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:18:43] So after ten days spending on that island, where did the  government official take you?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:18:48] Then they, they called up the, the people who work for the  United Nation, you know, on the refugee the UNHCR. So they came and they fill the  paperwork and they're looking for some refugee camp in Thailand at that time. And at that  time we are not title. We were not titled as the refugee asylum seeker yet.

Because we arrive Thailand after the day that they shut down the camp so they put all of  us in the the first camp called Ban Thad that, that refugee camp just like inside much into  the camp of the the Cambodian there and they, they came to, the Thailand to escape the  Khmer Rouge at that time. So we stay in that camp just four km, at the border of

Cambodia and Thai.

Interviewer [00:19:41] When they brought you there. That's when you were with other.  Hoang Vi Kha [00:19:46] Yes. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:19:48] And how many people do you think were there?

Hoang Vi Kha [00:19:51] I know exactly, because when I came on, I, when, the,  transportation take us to the camp from outside. They, they, they do the paperwork at, the  Cambodian camp and then they said, you don't stay here. You will go to what they call the  boat people camp. So I asked how many in there, and they said about 5000. So that is on,  June of 1988 Ban Thad was about 5000 when I arrive. But only two months after I arrived,  the number pump up to almost eight thousand. Incredible. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:20:37] And how was, life living, there in that camp?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:20:40] I would say there is a two different period of time. The first  period of time is like we not entitled refugee. So we under the control of the local Thai  soldiers and been assisted by what they called UNBRO, not the UNHCR, UNBRO is like  the United Border. So that group they help the Cambodians. So we, part of Cambodian  camp so we get help from them.

Hoang Vi Kha [00:21:15] We've been, like, harassed every single day by the local Thai  soldiers. Then after 1988, 1989. March 14th all of the country that accept the people like

Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, blah, blah. They had a big meeting and they decided that  day will be the cut off day. So anybody came after that, they need to go to what they call  the screening process. If you fail, you've been pushed back to Vietnam before because we  arrived before that. So we on, birthday up the king of Thai. We granted as the asylum  seeker.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:22:02] So I remember on the radio that day. Eight, 10,000 Vietnamese  who now temporarily at Ban Thad camp were granted the title as refugee. At that moment,  they transfer the control onto the different Thai police. So we've been treated differently.  Yeah. So at that time, the UNHCR start to come into the camp. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:22:28] How long were you, at that camp before coming to the United  States?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:22:33] I stayed in, another camp. You know, that the first camp and  then the second camp is, was the Phanat Nikhom, because, the situation was getting  worse at the border they have a fighting, like, nonstop everyday. You can hear the, cannon  sound, you know, between the two sides. So they had to move us out and we moved to  the second camp in Ban Thad and they come it's closer to the Bangkok. So it far away  from, the border. So we stayed another years all in total I would say, what, three years in  refugee camps.  

Interviewer [00:23:12] Wow. Three years. That’s a long time.

Hoang Vi Kha [00:23:15] That's. No, no. Somebody there for ten years.  

Interviewer [00:23:16] My goodness. Now why I mean, I'm going to consider myself lucky  then, because for me, total was only, eight months. But within those three years, what was  the reason why there's such a delay in, in including that person? For ten years.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:23:32] Number one like I said Thai was shut down from before, you  know. So we stayed like almost two year without the title of refugee. So we cannot meet  the third countries, you know, going to the process for the interview to get to the third  country countries.  

And the second time. Is like when the cut off they start. So they start to interview those  before us, you know, those came before us like the guy who had been there for ten year  had been rejected by the US or the Canada many times. So those kind of people people,  they, they get, priority first. That makes sense because first come first serve. Right? So  they have to clean up all of those and then to us next. But when it start to us, forcing  people to go back to Vietnam also happening at that time.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:24:30] So we have to march into the camp what they call C unit is the  the people staying there is like every single day there is a couple, big, military truck came  in and dragged people push us on the truck and brought to the airport and sent back to  Vietnam. And we got into fight with them. And, I remember, like, people suicide in front of  the, the Thai police or soldier. Including me, I, I was staying with them for the protest. You  know, we put up the sign of the freedom or die.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:25:05] We rather die than to go back to Vietnam. And it take like eight month before they can separate like the C section, and with the what they call the transit

section. And so we were put in the transit section, waiting for the process to get interview  approve. And get to the US or Canada and that end up for like three years.  

Interviewer [00:25:30] Wow. Well, what were some of the things, happened to you at  these refugee camps, that that really make an impact to you in the future or something that  holds a strong memory as of today.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:25:45] A couple of many things, you know, three years that a lot of  things. But, the first thing I, I always remember is the first time I heard, national anthem of  the Republic of Vietnam. And that camp I was young when I was, you know, before 1970, I  didn't pay attention much about the national anthem after 1975, I heard, you know, here  and there that totally secretly. But in camp at that day that the first time officially, I can  stand in front of the flag and heard that song.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:26:24] It touched my heart because my dad and many people died for  the flag and that that one thing. The second thing is, the bookstore at the camp when I  came. I love reading, but in Vietnam, under communism, they controlled everything. They  even what you can read and learned in school.  

So when I get into the library, I saw books that are dream of not in Vietnam. I couldn't find  those kind of book. That the second thing. The sign of Freedom. The sign of democracy I  start to saw, to see this at camp. The third one is the, the humankind I saw in that from volunteers from around the world came to the came to help the Vietnamese people,  people, you know, young, different age.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:27:18] They came, they sacrifice their future here. They can end up as  engineer or good life in the US or Canada. But they give up. They come to help people  that they don't know of, with all of their heart. And I admire that that brought me up like.  Everything that I've been brainwashed about. You know the capitalism. Now this is the real  person the real story for me to see. So that's another thing.  

Interviewer [00:27:48] I just want to go back a little bit. And I know we talked a little bit on  it, and then you share previously, how you guys build your, your first shelter at the island.  Explain. Can you explain how you even go and get woods and stuff?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:28:06] When we arrived. Anybody went to, what they called New  Economic zone in Vietnam this is exactly like that. Everything is, the land by itself. No  housing, nothing in there. So we have when we get there, we have to build up the shelter by our bare hand, you know, so we had to go to, Cambodian camp.  

They sit next to us, they have the store with like, leaf roof. You know, bamboo leaf roof,  bamboo, iron, wire and hammer and nail and things like that. And we get those go back  here and the Thai, soldier they said, okay, this lot is for you. And one lot is for ten people  and we have to buil up the house. We stay in there. Well, I didn't build house before in my  life so that’s the first time.  

Interviewer [00:29:07] It's like when you put and face the challenge, you just don't know  your potential until you start--

Hoang Vi Kha [00:29:13] Even like, I don't know how to put, the, the leaf, the roof up. So I  just put it up and then at night I can see, wow, the rain is going inside the house. I said,

that must be something wrong. So I turned it the other side. Oh, that's how it working, you  know, something like that. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:29:30] Yeah. So on the day that. On the day that. Yeah, they tell you that  you're going to be, going to find so-called freedom, your new land, do you know that you  going to America or any other country?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:29:46] Yeah. At that time, you know, because, the situation that they  not allow us to get the title of refugee. So when they start to have the title, they ask that if  we have any relative in, third worlds, you know, like, US, Canada, Australia, blah, blah. So  I fill out all of my auntie's.  

So now that the thing they do, first they screen to and they see you have relatives to pay  for you to be a sponsor of course they don't want you to come here for free. So they pass  my, case to Australia, because in Australia I have more aunty live in the US at that time, so  I end up going to Australia before I came to us.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:30:32] So when I got the, the letter from the US, Australia say, okay,  you approve to get here, I had to go to learn about English, how to live in Australia. So on  the on the plane from Bangkok to Sydney, I didn't feel much because, I learned about  Australia during the camp, but. After 11, 11 months, I came to the US. Because my dad  was in the US at that time already and, like the, XO program, right?  

So he sponsor back in the US at that time. It touched my heart when I, I flew. He live in,  New Jersey. You know, we flew from Los Angeles and go to New Jersey. At Newark  airport, we saw the Statue of Liberty from the window. And then I looked and saw that I cry  the same time. I cry when I. My boat left, Vietnam. So I know that I left for freedom. Now,  when I see the Statue of Liberty. That the liberty, the freedom I been seeking for.  

Interviewer [00:31:40] So you became the boat person going to, ended up in Australia.  And then later on your dad your mom and your family were able to go under the, XO program.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:31:50] Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:31:55] Okay. And then, he sponsor you over to--

Hoang Vi Kha [00:31:55] The US from Australia.  

Interviewer [00:31:58] Yeah. Okay. Now, so the first state that you lived in was in New  Jersey?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:32:02] Yes, yes.  

Interviewer [00:32:04] And what transitioned you to come to Virginia?  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:32:06] I work in, for one of the big financial in the World Trade Center  building. So, you know, 911. Right. So that's why my job that ended. So I move down to Virginia. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:32:25] Okay. And I know in the Virginia community you have done so  much for the community. And obviously you're very well known here, very respectable.

What was that in you, that you want to do that to give back to the Vietnamese community?  Yeah.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:32:41] What I got from that camp. And my escape is one of the, I think  those, valuable things that, among other things, people contribute to the community, that's,  I think, for me, my safe, those are the valuable things that I can contribute is emphasized  on.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:33:01] Number one is the, the true story of the Republic of Vietnam.  Number two is the the values of, democracy, freedom. People like my kid now, they grew  up here and they inherit, you know what already they have. So they take it for granted.  They didn't know. So this is kind of story we should tell them.  

We, represent for the first and the second generation. We retell the story like this to help  them to know that in order they have what they inherit, they took for granted. We sacrifice  a lot, blood and tears even like loss of many family member. You know my uncle been  killed by the communism like that in other exchange for their life here. So yeah.  

Interviewer [00:33:51] What do you think is the most important age group, that, you want  to focus on so that, you know, they can embrace, you know, their culture.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:34:05] They're two different group of kids. The first is, like I would say,  a, high school and below high school. We just want for those kid. We just want to  emphasize on the roots. You know, where we came from, appreciate, the, heritage, culture  and things like that. But for this group that above high school and like in college, we want  them to take a deeper look into the Vietnamese history and culture.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:34:35] And I don't say take one side or the other side, take all side and  use your brain, use your heart and filter out and find yourself the truth. But be open mind open heart, you know, and listen to the stories been telling, sharing by not just the  Vietnamese, but those people same situation. And like the Vietnam, you know, like people  under the communism until today. There's a part got to the truth. And, you know, they say  that the truth free yourself. So that my recommend to the Next generation. Yeah.  

Interviewer [00:35:19] So, I want to say thank you very much for this interview, for,  sharing this to, you know, inspire others or even, you know, to help them just to have a  different perspective. So I'm going to leave the last, you know, minute or two of, you know,  you have the final message, you know, who's watching this? And, what have you learned  at the camp? And, you know, what are you doing right now? To help inspire people and  just to give that, you know, to our audience.  

Hoang Vi Kha [00:35:48] I would say, from my experience, don't give up. Never give up.  Keep your faith. Keep your belief. Keep your heart. That's the last and also the most  powerful resource for you. When you're at the bottom. That's the resource for you to climb  up to the top. And anything that you face in your life even your failure or dangers. Take it  at the positive way is the lesson, the experience for you to grow. So. You will be successful If you do like that, I believe. Thank you for this opportunity.